Oil Wars ; Hate Crime

The pedi cab with a sign “No one was killed to fuel this vehicle” speaks volumes about the ordinary folk’s sentiments on the invasion of Iraq. What was the real reason for the invasion ? The WMD – weapons of mass destruction? Overthrow of a tyrant dictator and terrorist supporter Sadam Hussain ? The rich oil fields? Iraq was going through a tough UN sponsored economic sanction when it was invaded by the U.S. in 2003. Since its defeat in the 1990 Gulf War, Iraq was limping on one foot , shut down from the outside world and restricted from acquiring things it wanted . Bill Clinton’s Oil for Food program alleviated the situation and gave Iraq a bit of elbow room in that it was allowed to buy food and medicine in exchange for its oil. Iraq’s oil revenues were under the control of the United Nations, one of the conditions of the terms of surrender Iraq signed with the coalition forces when it lost in the Gulf War of 1990. The UN was also tasked to garnish a portion of Iraq’s oil revenues for war reparations to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Sadam was not about to sit on his chair watching his pocket ripped and his conquerors playing around with his marbles. To replenish his dwindling coffers, he started trucking oil tankers across to Syria, Jordan and Turkey selling his oil in the lucrative middle east black market. The U.S. knew of Sadam’s illegal oil trade but did nothing, justifying the illicit trade a boost to the depressed economies of its neighbors. Suffice to conclude that at the time of the US led invasion, Sadam Hussain was already down on one knee. The invasion was supposed to be the coup de grace, the final blow to his jugular vein. Sadam had to be taken down and the WMD was the perfect alibi. Saudi Ambassador Prince Banda bin Sultan was at the White House during the announcement of the invasion and was reportedly apprised of the invasion by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld before Secretary of State Colin Powell knew about it. Were Bush , Cheney and the Saudis were in this together? We all know that Sadam is history and rotting in jail but the war had gotten nastier than ever with no end in sight. Who’s in control of the Iraqi oil fields these days?

Here’s one really disturbing news. What’s your take on people who take their religious protests to military funerals, holding placards that say “ YOUR SON IS IN HELL” … all because he fought alongside fags or gays in his regiment? GOD HATES FAGS is the battlecry of this deranged group of sanctimonious jerks belonging to a renegade church who calls itself Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka , Kansas. Their leader, 76 year old pastor Fred Phelps is waging an all out war against homosexuality, alleging that the United States is cursed nation and had turned into the land of Sodom by allowing gays to join the military. The hatred is intense and passionate and they’ve taken their battle into of all unlikely places, funerals of fallen soldiers. Sickening ? It would be an understatement. Phelps, a lawyer before he became a minister of faith is unwavering in his hate crusade. He argues that sanctions against his protests is a violation of his right of freedom of speech and has fought back vehemently , with the battery of lawyers who support him, most of whom are family members. Phelps can consider himself lucky that in his act of utter disrespect and desecration of the fallen soldiers, grieving relatives haven’t gone berserk and pumped bullets into his stinky brains. It is so abhorrently illogical to even surmise that a dreadful beast like Phelps will have a stake , even an inch, of what Christians generally hope of heaven. But when you listen to his rhetoric and impassioned pleas, he does act like he loves his god and does his darnest best to please him. What can negate and quash this man’s obtuse and barbaric view of the nature of life? I can’t help wondering – what if a gay face turns up in Phelp’s family – a nephew or a grandson perhaps? What will happen to the poor chap?

Advertisements

28 Responses

  1. the picture says a lot. i always believed that the Iraq invasion was all because a greddy sh*t head wants to control the world’s oil.

  2. When you look at the price of oil today … and the ordinary folk is suffering from the skyrocketing gas prices..you would wonder if those if the greedy dorks have achieved their schemes..

  3. Oil companies make the most buck during a crisis, real or imagined. They are quick to raise prices at the slightest excuse (Hurricane Katrina, crisis in Uganda, saber rattling in Iran, etc.) and yet it takes them ages to lower it back to its original market price when nothing happens. Capitalism at its worse…

    As for that sanctimonious preacher, I bet he has a lot of gays within his own family that’s why he’s pissed. Hey, he might be a closet gay himself but is too chicken s**t to admit it…

  4. And.. an oil producing country like Canada that exports more oil to the US than Saudi Arabia – we’re paying CAN$1 per liter of gas in this recent price hike. The oil companies are raising prices and the damn govt’s take on taxes is also increasing. Also a member of the cartel can turn nuts and say – i’m reducing my oil production out put because my back hurts and lo and behold the demand for oil rises ! I mean what REALLY dictates these oil prices???

    As for this pathetic preacher, I’m sure hes been proclaiming to the whole world that he loves god and that’s why he’s doing this. It is immaterial whether we think he’s wrong. In his own murky little world he thinks he’s right . Who’s going to play judge?

  5. No sh*t!!! CAN$1 for a liter?? That’s $4 a gallon! Geez… and I thought we had it rough.

    These guys are the modern equivalent of those robber barons of the past.

  6. Yep.. It’s US$2.84 a gallon in the U.S. today and that’s 71 Cents US or about 81 cents CAD. Gas is traditionally more expensive here. Also our exchange rate had gone up to 87 cents US now and perhaps getting into the nineties by year end.

    Yeah – that’s very surprising. translated to pesos it would be like P45 per liter. But you know economies are totally different. We used to pay about CAD 85 cents per liter about a month and a half ago and with the 15 cents increase, its still affordable and people hope it will go down soon. Still cheaper than Europe though.

  7. Yeah, I know petrol isn’t cheap in Europe. That’s why most Europeans prefer small and fuel efficient sedans and Minis than those gas guzzling SUV’s. That and aside from the fact that most European cities have narrower streets…. 😀

  8. It’s just too insensitive and very sick of anybody to flash a placard in the funeral saying “He’s in hell” for WHATEVER REASON. The guy is dead. He won’t hear them anymore, much less, be able to retort back. Give the grieving family some respect and a little dignity to mourn over the departed.

  9. Sngl – you’re right and that’s why diesel cars are also popular in Europe. They keep their cars longer but here car value deteriorates as it ages that’s why people change cars oftener. Another thing is insurance, depending on your age and driving history could cost you more than your month car payment! So people can afford to buy a car but hesitate because of the damn insurance.

  10. Abaniko – precisely why these people must be stopped from their despicable actions. I think it has got to do with making the most noise they can when they try to make their point at a person’s most vulnerable time, when one is grieving at a loss of a loved one. I read in one article that the police escorts tried to rev their engines to suppress their chants and they were not allowed to be close than 500 meters from the funeral.

  11. “What was the real reason for the invasion ?”

    Saddamy was an unapologetic sponsor of terrorism, he provided sactuary for terrorists [Abu Nidal, Zarqawi], he violated 17 UN security council resolutions for 12 years, he violated the cease-fire agreement and unconditional surrender he agreed to after the first gulf war, he kicked out UN inspectors and he had training grounds for terrorists on Iraqi soil.

    “Iraq was going through a tough UN sponsored economic sanction when it was invaded by the U.S. in 2003. Since its defeat in the 1990 Gulf War, Iraq was limping on one foot , shut down from the outside world and restricted from acquiring things it wanted .”

    The Oil-for-food scam/program did nothing to stop Saddamy from acguiring “things he wanted”. He profitted to the tune of BILLIONS as did corrupt vultures in the UN who were receiving kickbacks also to the tune of nearly $21 BILLION. Saddamy chose not to use the money to feed,medicate, or improve the lives of his citizens but instead built palaces with goldplated sinks, lived like a Royal Swine™ while his people starved, payed the families of homicide bombers in Israel $25,000 each to murder Jews, purchased weapons and intelligence to expand his chemical/biological programs and let his sons run rampant over the country murdering and raping at a level that left the population in utter fear. Had we left Saddamy in power many Iraqis stated that the horrors of his regime would have been elevated once the sons ruled.

    “Bill Clinton’s Oil for Food program alleviated the situation and gave Iraq a bit of elbow room in that it was allowed to buy food and medicine in exchange for its oil.”

    As I stated, this never happened. Iraqi Gestapo even went to hospitals and seized incubators for newborns so that they could use it for military needs.

    “Iraq’s oil revenues were under the control of the United Nations, one of the conditions of the terms of surrender Iraq signed with the coalition forces when it lost in the Gulf War of 1990. “

    I encourage you to read about the oil-for-food scam. I’m happy to provide a link if needed. The UN was stealing gladly from the Iraqi people and rewarding Saddamy while they profited from the crime.

    “Who’s in control of the Iraqi oil fields these days?”

    Iraq. Remember, we are there per their request. They have their own govt and have PLEADED with us not to leave. They want us gone once they can stand on their feet but they realize they haven’t reached that point yet.

    “GOD HATES FAGS is the battlecry of this deranged group…”

    That group is despicable and hated by many Americans. Many Republicans have started organizartions to counter these bottom feeders who heckle grieving family members during funerals.

    I encourage you to read this site:

    http://www.husseinandterror.com/

  12. “the picture says a lot. i always believed that the Iraq invasion was all because a greddy sh*t head wants to control the world’s oil.”

    If that were the case we would have taken over Kuwaits oil fields, Iraq’s, Saudi Arabias, Mexico’s, etc. Your belief is rooted in nonsense not the reality of the situation.

  13. “Oil companies make the most buck during a crisis, real or imagined. They are quick to raise prices at the slightest excuse (Hurricane Katrina, crisis in Uganda, saber rattling in Iran, etc.) and yet it takes them ages to lower it back to its original market price when nothing happens. Capitalism at its worse…”

    I agree to a large extent. Here in the US our problem is that the liberal envirowackos have stopped us from drilling in ANWR because a beetle might be killed in the process, they refuse to allow us to build any nuclear power plants, in the 70’s we had 36 refineries here in California now we have 12. And this is a critical point. You can have all the oil you want but if you can’t refine it’s basically useless. Also envirowackos have stopped us from drilling off our coasts. The problem as I see it is not the envirowackos per se, they will always be around, the problem is that we capitulate to these socialist mental midgets.

  14. Comments well taken… One would argue that Sadam was always the self-indulgent Sadam and was an ally of the U.S. until he turned ugly with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia for not getting his request for more production quota after his 10 year war with Iran that left him cash strapped. True that Arab gulf states contributed to the war effort but Sadam felt forsaken when it was over and done he was almost bankrupt and his neighbors were turning a cold shoulder on him after he thought he fought the war for them. On another hand, one would also question why Bush allies didn’t buy his reason for invading Iraq. As it is today, with Sadam gone, Iraq is in a state of disarray, with three dominant factions fighting for supremacy and uf the Shiites gain supremacy, then the alliance with Iran is to be expected. Overall, the American public has realized that the IRAQ invasion didn’t work. Bush was reelected with optimism that the Iraq would become a democracy but the situation has worsened Bush’s ratings are at its lowest as we speak.

  15. “…..he was almost bankrupt and his neighbors were turning a cold shoulder on him after he thought he fought the war for them.”

    Bw, when you have the second largest oil reserve on the globe you’re not bankrupt. The other Arab states have always had contempt for Saddamy since he started a 10 year war with Iran and always wanted to be the supreme Arab/Muslim leader in the Middle East. He always had very grandiose delusional visions. There is no love loss over us removing him, as a matter of fact many of the Arab countries appreciate it and working with us quietly [Pakistan, Sudan and others]

    “On another hand, one would also question why Bush allies didn’t buy his reason for invading Iraq.”

    It’s not that the ‘allies’ didn’t buy into the notion of removing Saddamy, they voted unanimously on the resolutions, but the problem was that it went against their interests. Russia and France had massive oil contracts with Saddamy and Iraq owed Russia Billions, which would become null and void once he was removed. Germany was selling Saddamy military equipment, as was France. Their reasons for not joining the coalition was for self serving purposes not because they had some moral objection.

    “As it is today, with Sadam gone, Iraq is in a state of disarray, with three dominant factions fighting for supremacy and uf the Shiites gain supremacy, then the alliance with Iran is to be expected.”

    It is a difficult prospect we have undertaken but doing nothing and letting the swamps of terrorism in the Middle East ferment was not an option after 9/11. Keep in mind that McCarthur ruled Japan for 7 years before we gave them the reins. In Iraq we already have gone through several elections with a new Prime Minister elected a few days ago who is in the process of assembling a cabinet. I would also remind everyone that we are still in German and S. Korea half a century later. Iraq will go through growing pains but this was the only option. Iraq already is one of the greatest military accomplishments in human history. The Soviets fought a war with Afghanistan for 10 years and ultimately through in the towel. In WWII Americans lost on average 300 soldiers a day and the total casualty count for the war was 55,000,000. We have more murders and accidental deaths in America on a daily basis than in Iraq. I’m not trying to diminish the realities of Iraq but you must keep it in perspective.

    “Overall, the American public has realized that the IRAQ invasion didn’t work. Bush was reelected with optimism that the Iraq would become a democracy but the situation has worsened Bush’s ratings are at its lowest as we speak.”

    The left was against the war before we even set foot in Iraq. Those on the right want to see the war fought MORE aggressively. Right now we’re fighting with one hand tied behind our backs and many are frustrated. The generals who spoke out recently did not do so because Iraq is unwinable but because we need to drop the hammer when appropriate. Falujah should have been reduced to a smoldering crater. But unfortunately Bush is unwilling to release the full capacity of the American military. Secondly, Bush’s ratings are not a reflection of Iraq no matter what the intl media says to the contrary. Liberals never approved of Bush so they essentially are a moot point when his poll numbers go up or down. What causes the fluctuation is those of us on the right. And we are disgusted with Bush’s stance on ILLEGAL immigration, spending, prescription drugs and a few other issues; thus the low poll numbers.

  16. Pardon some of the poor grammar and spelling in my last post. Also to clarify, the 55,000,000 casualty count in WWII that I mentioned encompasses all nations involved.

    Bw, I encourage you to read the link I left on another post. It’s a relatively short read but you should read the whole thing. It’s not an opinion piece but rather lays out a lot of information the media has greatly ignored thus leaving large portions of the population totally ignorant. As far as American libturds are concerned they’re not interested in facts, their views are emotionally driven. That’s why many of their comments are prefaced by “I feeeeeeeel……”

    Heres the link:

    http://www.husseinandterror.com/

  17. Apollyon – here’s some facts :

    http://www.dawn.com/2003/12/25/int5.htm

    Of Iraq’s 120 billion dollars debt, as much as 81 billion dollars are owed to Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia. Iraq also owes 28.4 billion dollars in unpaid reparations agreed with
    states affected by its 1990 invasion of Kuwait, and a compensation claim by these states of 97.9 billion dollars is also unresolved.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_102908,0008.htm

    During the Iran-Iraq conflict, Kuwait sided with Iraq and helped with money as Iraq went into massive militarization. As debt on Iraq mounted after the war Iraq wanted that Kuwait waive its loan as protection
    money. Iraq says that its had defended Kuwaiti territory also, so it should also contribute to the war expenses.

    In the same time another controversy cropped up with Kuwait over producing oil, than the limit agreed upon by the OPEC nations, and flooded the markets resulting in a sharp decline in crude oil prices.
    As the oil prices went down it devastated the already war ravaged Iraqi economy.

    The loan controversy between Kuwait and Iraq unresolved, Kuwait allegedly drilled oil through the Rumaila oil fields of Iraq, which is one of the richest oil reserves in Southern Iraq. Kuwait refused to
    waive the loan to Iraq and tapped oil from Rumaila in a bid to get its money back.

    This annoyed Iraqi president Saddam Hussain, who thought that Kuwait was acting as an agent of the West. Saddam’s forces thus invaded Kuwait in
    August 1990 and declared it as its 19th province.

    In conclusion :

    – Iraq was badly in debt after the war with Iran. Sadam expected the Gulf Arabs to forgive his debts but they refused. The Gulf Arabs weren’t ready to throw away their money because of his reckless adventurism with Iran. Iraq might be an oil producer but its population is way more than the rich gulf states combined.

    – The U.S. went to war in Vietnam because of ideology. There was communism in Vietnam. The US invaded Iraq because Saddam allegedly possesed WMD. There was no WMD to be found. You can’t prevent people like Ric ( refer to fist post in this thread) of speculating on a sinister conspiracy . I tend to agree with him. Now the US is much graver danger because of Iran and the Iraqi Shiites trying to unite and nuke Israel.

    Then Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien in his meeting with George Bush in Detroit ( Bush asking for support in the invasion plan), while conversing with his aide was overheard on the mic by the Yanks saying Bush was a moron. Chretien who was himself a moron, refused to go with the invasion. Bush was so incensed that in his state visit to Canada he never shook the hands of Chretien who was then retired at that time. In the end, Chretien the moron made a much safer decision to stay put and jeopardize his country than Bush the moron. Only history will tell in this invasion had done any good at all. My feeling is ( in this site I feel … I think is allowed) this is another Vietnam where the US will retreat without any gains. A new US leadership is required to repair the damaged done by Bush and company.

  18. That was an interesting read about Saddamy’s debt. Apparently much of it was incurred during the Iran-Iraq war. Obviously it didn’t stop him from building palaces with gold plated urinals while his people starved.

    As far as a ric’s conspiracy claims by the Bush admin in regards to the war it is patently absurd. Leaving Chretien aside, you had the Security Council unanimously pass resolution 1441. If you read the resolution that ultimately gave the UN authority to wage war it never mentions that WMD is the reason for war. Secondly, our democrats were singing a different tune when Clintonista was in power and shortly after 9/11. Of course partisan politics and hatred of Bush led them to the positions they currently hold.

    Here are some comments regarding Iraq from our leftists: [Also it was Clintonista who signed the reolution authorizing regime change in Iraq]

    “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

    “Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998

    “(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983” — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

    “Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

    “There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

    “What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

    “The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

    “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

    “I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

    “Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    “The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    “Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, 2002

    “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

    “I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force – if necessary – to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

    “The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation.” — John Kerry, October 9, 2002

    “Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.” — Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

    “As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

    “Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production.” — Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

    “Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts.” — Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

  19. WMD related info:

    Let me be clear: The NIE judged with high confidence that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of the 150 km limit imposed by the UN Security Council, and with moderate confidence that Iraq did not have nuclear weapons. These judgments were essentially the same conclusions reached by the United Nations and by a wide array of intelligence services—friendly and unfriendly alike. The only government in the world that claimed that Iraq was not working on, and did not have, biological and chemical weapons or prohibited missile systems was in Baghdad.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/
    NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/NIC%20Speeches
    %20-%20Iraq’s%20WMD%20
    Programs.htm

    Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper “De Telegraaf,” that he knows the three sites where Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places are:

    http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

    The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein’s air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

    http://www.nysun.com/article/26514

    Iraq managed to produce anthrax, aflatoxin, botulinum toxin, gas gangrene, ricin, and wheat smut, and was also known to be working on cholera, mycotoxins, shigellosis, and viruses (including camelpox, infectious hemorrhaghic conjunctivitis and rotavirus) as well as genetic engineering. There are suspicions that Iraq was also working on smallpox.

    Iraq denied that it ever had an offensive BW program until the defection of Hussein Kamal, Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law and head of the WMD program in Iraq, in 1995. Even then, Iraq continued to hide as much information, equipment and material from UN inspectors as it could.

    http://www.iraqwatch.org/wmd/

    (CNSNews.com) – Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein’s regime to work with some of the world’s most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans. They demonstrate that Saddam’s government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialR
    eports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports
    %5Carchive%5C200410%
    5CSPE20041004a.html

    Sir, truthfully now [UNINTELLIGIBLE] we have put a defense plan in place and your Excellency was aware of the full picture, where the confidence of the success level is seventy percent and fifty percent, depending on the UN paragraphs. Truthfully, we have worked on it [the plan], but now sir, our effort is solely focused on the subject of the Biological Program. In addition there is a special team of inspectors in which all of their efforts are now concentrated on the Biological Program and the passing time during these few weeks has given them the chance to collect and examine the information. I mean, are we neglecting here …?

    http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/
    documents-docex/Iraq/Released-
    20060315/ISGQ-2003-M0004667.pdf

  20. It is disappointing that the Democrats you have quoted that supported Bush are the very same people who vilify him today, for waging war with Iraq , a country that was thought to have WMD but did not, and worse, for an un-winnable war that appears to have deteriorated and created more instability in the area and with no end in sight ! And if I may add , the American public, despite the rather murky rationale given by Bush about the invasion , people accepted his decision and trusted his instincts but what had he given back to America? More debts because of the expensive war for sure. 2450 American lives lost. 17000 wounded. Has he trashed terrorism? Has he made the world safer? Should he have listened and worked with his allies ? Perhaps. Just alike any CEO, Bush will be judged by the results and nothing but results. Verdict – he ought to be fired.

  21. It is disappointing that the Democrats you have quoted that supported Bush are the very same people who vilify him today, for waging war with Iraq , a country that was thought to have WMD but did not, and worse, for an un-winnable war that appears to have deteriorated and created more instability in the area and with no end in sight !

    Bw, my point of providing those quotes was two fold. First, to show that both democrats and republicans alike believed he had WMD’s as did most of the intelligence agencies throughout the world. There is a theory that Saddamy was lied to by his WMD scientists who were too scared to tell Saddamy that they were unable to manufacture weaponized WMD. I think this is a stretch but assuming it’s true then even Saddamy believed he had WMD’s. Secondly the quotes show what political animals our libturds are and are willing to lie about their actual convictions for political expediency.

    The war in Iraq is not unwinnable. If we had the same weak-kneed bed-wetters in our media during WWII as we have now they would have been screaming quagmire! after Normandy, Iwo Jima, etc..

    The area is still a low level war so undoubtedly there will be instability. Especially when you have Islamofascists hell bent on keeping Iraqis in the Dark Ages who go so far as blowing up Iraqis at a funeral or mosque. But as I stated earlier, more people are murdered and accidentally killed in America on a daily basis than in Iraq.

    As far as no end in sight I can only say we will leave once Iraq can stand on its own. Once again, we are still in Germany and South Korea half a century later.

    But I appreciate the concerns of our Canadian friends over our endeavor. You could greatly help us by setting up an Adopt-An-American-Libturd program. They’re giving us a headache over here and they could use some time away. We may even pay you guys to take them. But keep in mind, they’re lazy, require a lot of pot to get through the day and are allergic to work.

    And if I may add , the American public, despite the rather murky rationale given by Bush about the invasion , people accepted his decision and trusted his instincts but what had he given back to America? More debts because of the expensive war for sure.

    War is costly. Fortunately for you guys it’s coming out of our coffers so rest easy.

    2450 American lives lost. 17000 wounded.

    Which is remarkable. God rest their souls and bless all of them. The reality is this is an extremely low casualty figure for an operation that has lasted about 3 years. In Vietnam we lost about 50,000 and in WWII America lost 400,000. As I stated earlier there were a total of 55,000,000 dead world wide from WWII.

    Has he trashed terrorism? Has he made the world safer? Should he have listened and worked with his allies ? Perhaps. Just alike any CEO, Bush will be judged by the results and nothing but results. Verdict – he ought to be fired.

    As I stated earlier our allies had self-serving interests and didn’t want to lose the financial benefits of having Saddamy removed. I would hope that you are aware that about two dozen countries participated in this war. Our allies go further than France, Germany and Russia. I would also note, again, that the UN Security Council voted unanimously for a resolution [1441] that authorized the use of force.

    Bush should not be fired.

    Domestically he has done some very good things. We know he’s hated by those on the left, communists, socialists, theocrats, tin-pot despots and islamofascists but fortunately they don’t have a say here, well except our home grown leftists; but they are becoming an endangered species. Take a look at a Red/Blue COUNTY map of the US. We actually may have to put libturds on the endangered species list, and not a moment to soon.
    Bw, do you ever read the right-leaning American blogs? If so which ones.

  22. Apollyon – I’m a die hard capitalist and had voted for the Progressive Conservative Party all my life and that’s precisely why I thought Jean Chretien, a Liberal was a moron! The Conservatives just won a minority govt in Canada and I am pleased – but that does mean we are going to Iraq?

    I hope, just hope that Bush is right and that Sadam is mother lode, the big fish, the potential Hitler he was looking for. His allies didn’t see it that way that’s why they opted out. You see, terrorists don’t have palaces with golden sinks. Sadam was the a wicked tyrant who reveled in his riches, his wine and women and hated the Saudis and Kuwaitis to his guts. While Bush is fighting the remnants of rag tag Iraqi guerillas, bin Ladin is sending his taped messages threatening to set his bombs off! Why isn’t Bush nailing this guy down??

    Having said the above, I hope that Bush and company save their faces before and fix his term ends because by the looks of it, the Republicans won’t be in the white house after Bush leaves. Already the call for Cheney’s resignation is a tell tale sign that the Republicans are doomed.

  23. I think it’s quite patent that the war on Iraq is mostly about war. The WMD excuse is just that, an excuse that even up to now, ccould not be verified. Bush, being an oil nmagnate in the past, must have been so queasy about fragility in the Middle East region that he felt so panciky with Saddam still powerful. A Kuwait move on Saudi Arabia may affect American economy like hell.

    Now does oil supply a worthy excuse for adventurism, the kind that was in Iraq? I don’t think so. I think America should have searched for other means before initiating the all-out war.

  24. Apollyon – I’m a die hard capitalist and had voted for the Progressive Conservative Party all my life and that’s precisely why I thought Jean Chretien, a Liberal was a moron! The Conservatives just won a minority govt in Canada and I am pleased – but that does mean we are going to Iraq?

    I don’t think you guys have to come to Iraq. Just please take our leftists!

    I heard about the Conservative win in Canada, albeit a minority victory. Hopefully they will do a good job for Canada.

    I hope, just hope that Bush is right and that Sadam is mother lode, the big fish, the potential Hitler he was looking for. His allies didn’t see it that way that’s why they opted out.

    Saddamy isn’t the mother lode per se but rather a piece of the puzzle of global terrorism. We are under no illusions that killing/capturing Saddamy or Bin Laden will end terrorism. I wish it were that simple. As you see the maniac in Iran is someone who needs to be six feet under pushing daisies. Iran is probably the leading sponsor of terrorism in the world and our libturds are actually saying that we should do something about him. If Bush were to call their bluff and deal with Iran those same libturds would be screaming warmonger!

    You see, terrorists don’t have palaces with golden sinks.

    Saddamy actually did. And the Mad Mullahs probably have them too. But I know what you mean. The islamofascists at the bottom of the totempole have no gold sinks to be sure, just a Koran and Kalashnikov.

    Sadam was the a wicked tyrant who reveled in his riches, his wine and women and hated the Saudis and Kuwaitis to his guts. While Bush is fighting the remnants of rag tag Iraqi guerillas, bin Ladin is sending his taped messages threatening to set his bombs off! Why isn’t Bush nailing this guy down??

    You must keep in mind that a lot of Iraqs military and guard stripped their uniforms and blended into the general population. So we’re dealing with trained military islamofascists and Al Qaeda has operations and local leaders [hiding] in Iraq. Not long ago the main Al Qaeda guy in Iraq was killed. Also there are islamofascist terrorists coming in from Iran and Syria to fight US forces.

    As far as Bin Laden I assure you we are trying to obliterate him. It’s not easy finding someone hiding from cave to cave living like a hunted rat. Frankly, we were lucky to find Saddamy. That occurred because of a tip. We have criminals here in the US on the FBI list who we can’t even find. We’re good but this is not a movie. It’s possible we may never find Bin Laden.

    Having said the above, I hope that Bush and company save their faces before and fix his term ends because by the looks of it, the Republicans won’t be in the white house after Bush leaves.

    That’s what our liberals said in the 2000 and 2004 elections. In 2008 another Republican will be elected, except this time hopefully he’ll be a true conservative domestically. Hillary is expected to run for the libturds and a poll was conducted in New York to see what liberals thought. She only had a 16% approval. Over 70% were against her and this is a state that is 5:1 Libs to Reps. Our libturds may be stupid but they don’t even trust the democrat leadership. In New York, as I mentioned is overwhelmingly liberal, they vote for republican governors and mayors. One you’ve probably heard of is Rudy Giulliani.

    Already the call for Cheney’s resignation is a tell tale sign that the Republicans are doomed.

    Those calls are from our limp wristed media blowhards and leftist asylum escapees. They’re calling for Bush to be impeached too. Believe me, they’re not taken seriously. Which reminds me; we’ll actually make them shower and brush their teeth if you guys take them.

    But seriously, Cheney is actually
    well liked here. You must understand our liberals pathological hatred for all thing conservative. If God came down and announced he was a conservative liberals would be calling for his head.

  25. Major Tom – some people felt like Bush did it for the Saudis and Kuwaitis who were fearful of Sadam’s vengeance. The WMD was the only convincing reason for the invasion, albeit a lie.

  26. I think it’s quite patent that the war on Iraq is mostly about war. The WMD excuse is just that, an excuse that even up to now, ccould not be verified.

    Major Tom, hindsight is 20/20. I posted many American, and some foreign, leftists quotes on Iraq. They were all saying the same thing as Bush. And some of those leftists sat on our intelligence committee and were privy to the information that they based their views on. These views were forged before the election of Bush and magnified after 9/11. As I stated earlier, it was Clintonista that signed the resolution authorizing regime change in Iraq. I encourage you to read the WMD links I left in a prior post. The last one is a transcript of audio tapes confiscated from Iraq by US forces which have hours upon hours of Saddamy talking about his biological and chemical weapons. It has the original Arabic text and translations.

    Bush, being an oil nmagnate in the past, must have been so queasy about fragility in the Middle East region that he felt so panciky with Saddam still powerful. A Kuwait move on Saudi Arabia may affect American economy like hell.

    We have more oil here in the US and off our shores than in all of the Middle East. If Bush was driven by oil there were many other avenues he could have pursued. Your hatred of Bush is clouding your reasoning. I’m not sure what you mean about a Kuwait move on Saudi Arabia.

    Now does oil supply a worthy excuse for adventurism, the kind that was in Iraq? I don’t think so.

    Your premise is incorrect. Believe me if we wanted oil we would just march into Mexico, annex the country and take their oil. We wouldn’t even need to send our military; we could probably just send the Los Angeles Police dept.

    I think America should have searched for other means before initiating the all-out war.

    We gave him 12 years. Fortunately we haven’t been afflicted with the head-up-ass syndrome as most of the world. If people took Hitler seriously then WWII would not have become the bloodbath that it did. Now we face a Hitler in a headscarf in Iran…….”Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it”

  27. the war only caused higher prices of oil. and death to a lot of people. it didn;t really help.

    and with the preacher, in the future, there’s a big possibility that he’ll have a relative who’s gay

  28. that Phelps guy is despicable….

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: